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		<title>By: ronnied</title>
		<link>http://beancounterblog.com/2006/02/28/the-12-daily-pro-beast-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-79846</link>
		<dc:creator>ronnied</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just was wondering how all this ended up.  When first approached about joining 12DailyPro, I told the others that it was in fact a Ponzi scheme.  Others vehemently disagreed and thought I was wrong.  Even when everything was coming unraveled, 12DailyPro had the support of many members.  Some however, knew they had been taken and were embarrased.  It hurts to learn lessons like these with the loss of your hard earned cash/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just was wondering how all this ended up.  When first approached about joining 12DailyPro, I told the others that it was in fact a Ponzi scheme.  Others vehemently disagreed and thought I was wrong.  Even when everything was coming unraveled, 12DailyPro had the support of many members.  Some however, knew they had been taken and were embarrased.  It hurts to learn lessons like these with the loss of your hard earned cash/</p>
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		<title>By: tom_42</title>
		<link>http://beancounterblog.com/2006/02/28/the-12-daily-pro-beast-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-75788</link>
		<dc:creator>tom_42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was 2600$ in profit before 12 daily pro colapsed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was 2600$ in profit before 12 daily pro colapsed</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://beancounterblog.com/2006/02/28/the-12-daily-pro-beast-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-55923</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 12:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A fool and his / her money are soon parted ! Accordingly, there&#039;s a sucker boen every minute !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fool and his / her money are soon parted ! Accordingly, there&#8217;s a sucker boen every minute !</p>
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		<title>By: Saracen</title>
		<link>http://beancounterblog.com/2006/02/28/the-12-daily-pro-beast-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-6517</link>
		<dc:creator>Saracen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey... it&#039;s all a game... so find out the rules before you play... and if you don&#039;t like the rules or don&#039;t feel comfortable then trust your instincts and don&#039;t play... I lost a lot of money  but I had a lot of fun with 12DP and would do it again... People play dangerous sports all the time... On motorbikes and mountains its about adrenalin and physical danger... on the internet its about excitement and money... I wonder how many of those opposed to 12DP would be on the forums if they had made money???

And only a fools gamble with what they cannot afford to lose...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey&#8230; it&#8217;s all a game&#8230; so find out the rules before you play&#8230; and if you don&#8217;t like the rules or don&#8217;t feel comfortable then trust your instincts and don&#8217;t play&#8230; I lost a lot of money  but I had a lot of fun with 12DP and would do it again&#8230; People play dangerous sports all the time&#8230; On motorbikes and mountains its about adrenalin and physical danger&#8230; on the internet its about excitement and money&#8230; I wonder how many of those opposed to 12DP would be on the forums if they had made money???</p>
<p>And only a fools gamble with what they cannot afford to lose&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tonja Earles</title>
		<link>http://beancounterblog.com/2006/02/28/the-12-daily-pro-beast-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-2191</link>
		<dc:creator>Tonja Earles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 08:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Cedric, go here if you have not done so.

http://www.tlennonfor12dailypro.com/

This is the receiver who took over the assets of 12 dailypro. He has a Question/Answer area at this website and much more information. Doesn&#039;t look good for us who lost according to his question/answer posts.

I lost $432. I flunked Stupidity and Greed 101.

Well actually, it wasn&#039;t my fault about getting out before the Stormpay fiasco. I simply couldn&#039;t.

Charis had dropped E-gold as a payment processor and we who had utilized them now had to apply and be verified with the now defunct payment processor EMOcorp. Hmmmmmm.

Anyhow, since our E-gold was now floating in cyberspace (Charis&#039;personal e-gold account ??) we had to wait about 3 weeks for Charis to transfer our gold into our EMO accounts so we could get our payouts. During that time frame is when Stormpay froze her account.

Guess what, any of us who did not utilize Credit Cards or Stormpay lost our money/gold, because now I KNEW that Charis was not going to let go of OUR gold. She now knew she was in sheep dit and would need lawyers, money to live on, bail bonds, fines and such. 

I do feel for folks who lost thousands. That has got to hurt like hell. That $432 of e-gold I lost taught me a priceless lesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cedric, go here if you have not done so.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tlennonfor12dailypro.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tlennonfor12dailypro.com/</a></p>
<p>This is the receiver who took over the assets of 12 dailypro. He has a Question/Answer area at this website and much more information. Doesn&#8217;t look good for us who lost according to his question/answer posts.</p>
<p>I lost $432. I flunked Stupidity and Greed 101.</p>
<p>Well actually, it wasn&#8217;t my fault about getting out before the Stormpay fiasco. I simply couldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Charis had dropped E-gold as a payment processor and we who had utilized them now had to apply and be verified with the now defunct payment processor EMOcorp. Hmmmmmm.</p>
<p>Anyhow, since our E-gold was now floating in cyberspace (Charis&#8217;personal e-gold account ??) we had to wait about 3 weeks for Charis to transfer our gold into our EMO accounts so we could get our payouts. During that time frame is when Stormpay froze her account.</p>
<p>Guess what, any of us who did not utilize Credit Cards or Stormpay lost our money/gold, because now I KNEW that Charis was not going to let go of OUR gold. She now knew she was in sheep dit and would need lawyers, money to live on, bail bonds, fines and such. </p>
<p>I do feel for folks who lost thousands. That has got to hurt like hell. That $432 of e-gold I lost taught me a priceless lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: Cedric</title>
		<link>http://beancounterblog.com/2006/02/28/the-12-daily-pro-beast-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-1217</link>
		<dc:creator>Cedric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw friends were making money, and it looked so good that, I went out and put all my savings in this investment, and went with the maximum of $6,000. That was on the 27th of Jan. and before I could finish the surfing, they froze my money. I never made one dime, and now I&#039;m in debt. I wish I can see this women face to face. I would make sure she gave me my money back. I can&#039;t believe there&#039;s actually people here defending this crook. Does anyone know how to help me find a way to get updates on this matter and maybe get on a list to retieve my money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw friends were making money, and it looked so good that, I went out and put all my savings in this investment, and went with the maximum of $6,000. That was on the 27th of Jan. and before I could finish the surfing, they froze my money. I never made one dime, and now I&#8217;m in debt. I wish I can see this women face to face. I would make sure she gave me my money back. I can&#8217;t believe there&#8217;s actually people here defending this crook. Does anyone know how to help me find a way to get updates on this matter and maybe get on a list to retieve my money.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://beancounterblog.com/2006/02/28/the-12-daily-pro-beast-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-1074</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i lost 1100$ with 12D.. :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i lost 1100$ with 12D.. <img src='http://beancounterblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://beancounterblog.com/2006/02/28/the-12-daily-pro-beast-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-917</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the Stormpay situation in all this.Along with what they did to 12dailypro they also stole money from thousands of peoples accounts including mine and when I queried it they promptly suspended my account.If they can do that to so many individuals, shouldn&#039;t we be questioning what they have done to 12daily?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the Stormpay situation in all this.Along with what they did to 12dailypro they also stole money from thousands of peoples accounts including mine and when I queried it they promptly suspended my account.If they can do that to so many individuals, shouldn&#8217;t we be questioning what they have done to 12daily?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Guthrie</title>
		<link>http://beancounterblog.com/2006/02/28/the-12-daily-pro-beast-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-329</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Guthrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 05:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but I can&#039;t let my readers think that what Charis did was right in any way.  What she did, orchestrated a Ponzi scheme, does not happen by accident - it takes planning.  And her planning paid off since she skimmed $1.9 MILLION throughout the past few months according to details from the SEC and Justice Department.  The business model she used is not a business model - it&#039;s a scam model.  This was not a snafu but a well-orchestrated scam that unfortunately cost many people $50 million.  Hopefully we can all learn to look beyond a person&#039;s outside appearance and examine the facts and their actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but I can&#8217;t let my readers think that what Charis did was right in any way.  What she did, orchestrated a Ponzi scheme, does not happen by accident &#8211; it takes planning.  And her planning paid off since she skimmed $1.9 MILLION throughout the past few months according to details from the SEC and Justice Department.  The business model she used is not a business model &#8211; it&#8217;s a scam model.  This was not a snafu but a well-orchestrated scam that unfortunately cost many people $50 million.  Hopefully we can all learn to look beyond a person&#8217;s outside appearance and examine the facts and their actions.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
		<link>http://beancounterblog.com/2006/02/28/the-12-daily-pro-beast-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-327</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 04:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y&#039;all just don&#039;t get it.

Charis never wanted to scam or hurt anyone.  In fact, she really didn&#039;t know what she was getting into as she entered this business.  But - what she DID do, was to rely on her personal moral and ethical standards to run her business in the best ways possible.  That meant crediting her members even though the site was down, and focusing on the customer service aspects of the business.

I also know that she didn&#039;t profit at all from the 12 Daily Pro business. She focused her time, energy and monies on making sure the members&#039; needs were met.  She&#039;s not living on a tropical island or living in a grand home somewhere.  Rather, she&#039;s one of us.  A good person trying to do good for the world.

Also, the 12 Daily Pro membership was NOT largely a religious following.  Some religious folks did latch on because of Charis&#039; strong convictions, but many others were not of that persuasion.  

I encourage all who read to reserve judgement.  Let facts speak on their own.  Whether Charis and her staff were chasing a bad business model or not is important.  So are her / their intentions.  After seeing all the facts, I think you&#039;ll see that mitigating interests and ideals are to blame for the SNAFU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8217;all just don&#8217;t get it.</p>
<p>Charis never wanted to scam or hurt anyone.  In fact, she really didn&#8217;t know what she was getting into as she entered this business.  But &#8211; what she DID do, was to rely on her personal moral and ethical standards to run her business in the best ways possible.  That meant crediting her members even though the site was down, and focusing on the customer service aspects of the business.</p>
<p>I also know that she didn&#8217;t profit at all from the 12 Daily Pro business. She focused her time, energy and monies on making sure the members&#8217; needs were met.  She&#8217;s not living on a tropical island or living in a grand home somewhere.  Rather, she&#8217;s one of us.  A good person trying to do good for the world.</p>
<p>Also, the 12 Daily Pro membership was NOT largely a religious following.  Some religious folks did latch on because of Charis&#8217; strong convictions, but many others were not of that persuasion.  </p>
<p>I encourage all who read to reserve judgement.  Let facts speak on their own.  Whether Charis and her staff were chasing a bad business model or not is important.  So are her / their intentions.  After seeing all the facts, I think you&#8217;ll see that mitigating interests and ideals are to blame for the SNAFU.</p>
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